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Leap 1: [Closed] Doesn't Leap render Yep unnecessary?

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    Yep is all about PDFs. Leap can search for and tag any file type. So with Leap you can organize and search for your PDFs, but Yep has a scanner interface, PDF combining, a PDF viewer, and other tools. Plus, since Yep is only for PDFs, we are able to make the interface have a few less buttons and such. Simple is good. Leap has a great set of tools for searching for and organizing documents. So take your pick or use both. Tags set in Leap and Yep work in both Leap and Yep.
    • CommentAuthorguest
    • CommentTimeMar 18th 2008
     
    <strong>Guest:</strong><br /><br />I have been trying out your program Leap.
    I like the looks and the function!
    My on complaint right now is that I can't see ALL of my tags.
    The window on the left side shows the top 15 or so.....
    There should be a scroll bar so I can view all tags & select them as I see them.
    This was the more tags I click on the smaller the filed gets until I get to the document that I want....
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      CommentAuthorBLUEFROG
    • CommentTimeMar 18th 2008
     
    guest (if that is your real name 8^) :

    Leap shows the most popular Tags in the space allowed.

    1. Closing the File Types above it gives a bit more space.

    2. Turn off and Tag sources you don't want to see. For example, if you don't want to see tags based on the Date (created by Leap) press the 3rd button to turn them off. Turn off all but the 1st button to see just YOUR tags.

    3. Clicking the sentence at the bottom "Top 22 tags of 65" (or whatever your numbers are) brings up the Tags Browser. Here's a view of all the Tags (complete with the scrollbar you wanted!) You can use the search field or scroll up and down to find a tag. When you find one, doubleClick it and it will be applied as a filter.

    4. Use the searchField at the top of the Filter pane. Start typing a tag and the choices are filtered. If it filters down to one you can hit Return or Enter and it will be applied as a Filter. Otherwise just click the one you want.… Also notice, clicking a Tag again will stop using it as a Filter (this works for the FileTypes too.)

    Enjoy Leap!
    • CommentAuthoreN0ch
    • CommentTimeMar 21st 2008
     
    Quote: [Tom Andersen] "Yep has a scanner interface, PDF combining, a PDF viewer, and other tools. Plus, since Yep is only for PDFs, we are able to make the interface have a few less buttons and such. Simple is good. Leap has a great set of tools for searching for and organizing documents. So take your pick or use both. Tags set in Leap and Yep work in both Leap and Yep. "

    I am actually at the point of wondering (again) about the value of having two separate apps. From your neat summary, it seems to me there are two (to me) natural follow-on suggestions:
    1. Add Yep's PDF tool set to Leap --> Yep would then only be needed if one wants the simpler interface for PDF file management.
    2. Final step, similar in substance to suggestions from me and a few others previously: Incorporate Yep's simpler interface into Leap, as an optional alternative view (or 'basic mode', as I suggested a while back). One could then switch to the Yep view at least for managing PDFs, and possibly also for managing a limited selection of common text filetypes (e.g. doc, pages, numbers, xls, rtf, rtfd).

    Other benefits: No more dramas with tag integration, only one app using system resources, consistent file storage, arguably better competition for other apps (Yojimbo, EagleFiler, DevonThink, etc) ... probably more I haven't thought of ...
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    We are thinking about all of this. --Tom
    • CommentAuthorRhetTbull
    • CommentTimeMar 27th 2008
     
    I realize that it makes development more difficult having to maintain two separate applications but I cringe every time this topic of combining Leap and Yep comes up, as it previously has on the mailing list. I've been using Yep since it was first available and it's one of my favorite programs--many of my friends and colleagues are now using it based on my recommendation. Leap on the other hand, well, I just don't "grok" it. I can't quite figure out what need Leap is trying to meet. It certainly doesn't replace the
    Finder for me and though I consider myself a "power user" I just can't figure out how to be productive with Leap. What I want from Yep is iPhoto for PDFs. iPhoto let me move from shoeboxes of photos to a digital photo workflow. I want Yep to do the same for my paper files. I don't want to think about where those files are and I don't want to have to figure out a complicated user interface. I was being productive with Yep within minutes of installing it. Not so with Leap. Although I use Yep daily, if the Yep PDF functionality gets combined with Leap and Yep goes away, I will move my thousands of files from Yep somewhere else...not to Leap.

    I know that Ted & Tom have make what they think is the best business decision and by all accounts of the praise received, Leap is a beautiful piece of work. But please realize that there are a group of users who want "iPhoto for PDFs"! :-)
    • CommentAuthoreN0ch
    • CommentTimeMar 27th 2008
     
    I agree, and that's why my suggestions for combining centre around providing the option of Yep's simple interface as an option in Leap.
    • CommentAuthorguest
    • CommentTimeMar 28th 2008
     
    <strong>Guest:</strong><br /><br />Agree with RheTbull... I like Yep. I don't like Leap. I want an app for organizing my PDFs. I don't want the invasiveness and genericity (word?) of Leap. My choice. I'm cool with that. I purchased Yep. Combine Yep with Leap and you'll lose a bunch of customers.
    • CommentAuthorguest
    • CommentTimeMar 29th 2008
     
    <strong>Guest:</strong><br /><br />It seems to me the option for duplicating Yep's functionality in Leap is a good idea so that using both is unnecessary, but keep Yep as sort of a Leap-lite that specializes in pdfs (probably renaming it to avoid confusion)
    • CommentAuthoreN0ch
    • CommentTimeMar 30th 2008
     
    What would you think of my idea (see above) of incorporating the Yep interface into Leap as an alternative view?

    NB: I'd be as unhappy as anyone else if Yep's simple interface disappeared. Leap is just starting to grow on me for some purposes, so I like it better than I did at first. But I still think nothing beats Yep's beauty and simplicity if all I want is tag-based file management.
    • CommentAuthorguest
    • CommentTimeApr 1st 2008
     
    <strong>Guest:</strong><br /><br />Will leap work for people still using Tiger OS 10?
    • CommentAuthorguest
    • CommentTimeApr 15th 2008
     
    <strong>Guest:</strong><br /><br />I'm really, really happy with Leap - it does exactly what I've been looking for in a tagging app. However, I have 2 suggestions which I think would improve it for me, and I wondered if they could be considered for a future release:

    1) I've been using Leap to tag my massive library of samples - mainly .wavs, .aiffs and .rex2 files - drum loops, single drum hits, sampled synth notes, etc. As most of these individual files are gathered together in folders of a similar type, I would like to have the option to tag every item within a folder by tagging the folder itself - like a "parent/child" relationship between folder and contents. I know I can select multiple items to tag, but when there are often a few hundred items per folder, being able to force tags onto them by tagging their parent folder would be really useful and would save a bit of time; then I can go through the folder's contents, knowing they all have the same basic tags, and add more unique tags to smaller groups within the folder (like "loud", "distorted", "pitch=C", etc).

    2) Very simple, this one - I'd really like either a keyboard shortcut for moving items to a folder, or an option to assign my own keyboard shortcuts to Leap's functions.

    Thanks for a great app!
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      CommentAuthorBLUEFROG
    • CommentTimeApr 15th 2008 edited
     
    Hi, Guest:

    @1. Here's currently what I'm doing to do a "portable" folder tag to some files (there is an implicit tag from being inside the folder but the tag is not portable - which I need it to be in some instances). Check out the discussion at: Feature Request: Root Folder shown as Folder Tag
    Note: AutoTagging is not a cut and dry topic. There are up and downsides that have to be carefully considered when trying to implement it.

    @2. You can move items to a folder several ways within Leap:
    a. By bringing up the context menu (Right or Control click) and choosing "Move to Folder…"
    b. By drag and drop to the destination folder in the Locations pane (the middle one).
    c. In System Preferences > Keyboard & Mouse > Keyboard Shortcuts… you can set an application specific shortcut for this. I set one for Leap as Control-Command-M and it works as expected. Leap 1.0.5b1 [10.5.2]

    BTW, I'm not sure if you're the Guest I responded to earlier so if you're not… it's really helpful to register with the forum. There is no spam (or email unless you subscribe to a discussion, etc.) and it helps keep track of who's who.

    Enjoy!
    • CommentAuthorpaxton
    • CommentTimeApr 15th 2008
     
    Don't know if this helps because you had to buy another piece of software. But regarding 1) I do use Hazel for lots of different automatic tagging things based on folders and file types. With Leap I do the rest. IMHO Hazel is a nice piece of software and I can really recommend it...
    • CommentAuthorsjk
    • CommentTimeApr 15th 2008
     
    it helps keep track of who's who

    For that and other reasons I'd like to see anonymous guest posting disabled.
    • CommentAuthorguest
    • CommentTimeApr 25th 2008
     
    <strong>Guest:</strong><br /><br />I recently purchased Leap. I have been busily tagging things, and find that I would like to have the ability to show items that contain one tag minus another.
    For instance, if I see all application files, I would like to see all application files minus all the ones I have tagged as support_applications. Any suggestions?
    • CommentAuthorpaxton
    • CommentTimeApr 25th 2008
     
    Hi guest,

    have look here: http://ironicsoftware.com/community/comments.php?DiscussionID=142&page=1

    Hope that helps.

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